UL NO. 456: A Deep-dive on Prompt Injection
2024-10-29 22:15:0 Author: danielmiessler.com(查看原文) 阅读量:5 收藏

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This is a SUPER cool demo but I’m not sure I’d classify it as prompt injection.

The issue is that the instruction on the site is to run a program. And Computer Use is designed to follow instructions.

So the demo is showing that computers will follow dangerous instructions.

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If you go through the whole thread it all comes down to definitions—as usual. My point was that if you tell an AI agent to eat poison—and it eats it and gets hurt—that’s NOT prompt injection. It’s a direct instruction followed by an agent.

So my take was that if you tell an agent to go to a website and download an executable and execute it—that’s the same. It’s like telling your computer to rm -rf. It’ll do it. And that’s not injection, it’s just a dangerous command.

But what’s super important here is WHO is asking for a given thing to happen, and what they EXPECTED would happen. You have to look at the implied goal of the REQUESTOR, and compare THAT to what ACTUALLY happens.

So if the requestor said:

Go execute commands on this possibly dangerous website.

That would not be prompt injection because it was just following commands.

What I missed in this particular case was that the initial command sent to the tool wasn’t to go and do what was on the website, but to just load the site. So the implied expectation of the REQUESTOR was normal browsing—not downloads and executions. So, given my definition above, and this initial setup—I’d call myself wrong about my original take.

Here’s the definition I have in my Real World AI Defintiions now, updated to magnify the importance of this wrinkle. And great research by Johann Rehberger!

Prompt Injection is an attack technique that uses specially crafted input to trick an AI into doing something that violates intent/expectation and leads to a negative outcome.

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